tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post9085283296382180586..comments2024-03-13T05:45:34.107-04:00Comments on Dog Law Reporter: The Sordid History of Pit Bull Fighting in 19th Century EnglandJohn Ensmingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02840129911400528572noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-76723299098742508072019-12-26T20:19:41.626-05:002019-12-26T20:19:41.626-05:00Well I will start by saying I have owned and bred ...Well I will start by saying I have owned and bred this breed for 20 years, and my dad and grand dad did before me. So with that I am clearly not against this breed as I have dedicated my life to them. The sad truth is both sides get it wrong as each side only has a sliver of truth to it and the rest is all opinion without any practical experience. Not only do I breed these dogs but I have also even training all breeds of dogs for 12 years. I have titles dogs in UKC competitive obedience, Protection sports such as PSA, IPO, and other personal protection competitions. <br /><br />I just find it ridiculous how anyone can say this breed is different than other dog breeds. Now. By different I don’t mean that they don’t have particular traits that are common in the breed of course they do all breeds do. But to think because they were bred to fight is somehow different than what the majority of dog breeds were bred to do is ludicrous. Almost every breed in existence was bred to hunt. Most of the hunting breeds were bred to either catch and kill the desired animal or to catch and hold/ fight the desired animal. So o hate to break it to people but dogs not just the pit bull which is a breed but I digress were bred to kill other animals. The greyhound was bred to hunt. The quarry they hunted were hare, deer, coyotes, etc. and guess why they did once they fought their prey. You guessed it they killed them. And despite what people think of so called war dogs well the pit bull did not derive from the mastiff which in ancient times just meant big dog. They came from the alaunt. Which started out as a hunting dog and later was divided into different categories. The smaller ones became what were called butchers dogs which were used to hold and subdue unruly semi wild cattle. These dogs evolved into the bull baiting bulldog. The other breed that was used to create the American pit bull terrier were a few various working terriers like the fox terrier. So for those that think that dogs are just bred to be lap dogs I wouldn’t get a terrier. As those dogs were bred to either fight their quarry underground if need be or to make them bolt if possible. So yes the prescious jack russel and a not so know terrier called the patterdale. Are quite the little savage hunters<br /><br />Now most qualified behaviorists know that dogs who are animal aggressive are not automatically human aggressive as those two types of aggression are not controlled y the same genes. <br /><br />So in conclusion. Yes pit bulls when kept pure are most of the time dog aggressive. Not all the time but most of the time. No they are. It unpredictable due to there fighting history as that would mean most breeds would be unpredictable. No you dog you bought from a rescue or shelter is not a pit bull because the second you cross one breed with another it ceases to be either breed and becomes a mutt as that is the literal definition of mutt. And these dogs as well as all working dogs like a malinois, an Alaskan husky, a German shepherd, a cattle dog, and all the working hunting dogs and working terriers should not be owned by most people. Not because they are bad dogs but because people have no clue what dogs are these days and have very little idea on what they actually need because cuddles and love are not all a dog needsmikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18113015203412886001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-89681921267878547292017-02-26T15:09:35.124-05:002017-02-26T15:09:35.124-05:00This article shines damning evidence on this breed...This article shines damning evidence on this breed, so I don't know how people can be commenting that pitbulls are no more likely to attack than other breeds this article proves otherwise! How can the author be against BSL when he has uncovered evidence that would support BSLAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-87561711697083692882017-02-26T15:07:46.808-05:002017-02-26T15:07:46.808-05:00This article is damning evidence of the traits pit...This article is damning evidence of the traits pitbulls possess, so I don't know how people can be commenting that they are no more likely to attack than other breeds, this article shows otherwise!! I don't know how the writer can be against BSL, when the evidence he has uncovered shows EXACTLY why this breed deserves special regulations!Johnny Bristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13666878472066441488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-60878382302831513942017-02-26T01:48:20.038-05:002017-02-26T01:48:20.038-05:00Though I may not be able to comment as intelligent...Though I may not be able to comment as intelligently as the others within this blog, nor can I say that I have a credible opinion, I love this. Shows a great mixture of personal emotion and documented fact. Also I found a viable picture a research paper I'm doing. So thank you good sir. Also I'm likely a few years too late for this to be seen or noticed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-36256930641986551682016-03-21T13:28:50.843-04:002016-03-21T13:28:50.843-04:00No you are wrong, even if you lump all terriers, o...No you are wrong, even if you lump all terriers, or all pointers, or any other class they would still not be as many deaths or maulings as pitbulls have! Also, yes other breeds give warning signs when about to attack, but NOT pitbulls they were training to never give any warning in the pit so you are totally wrong on that!Johnny Bristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10647675336833279154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-63579545168309473862016-03-21T13:26:58.958-04:002016-03-21T13:26:58.958-04:00The very fact that some breeds have been mixed wit...The very fact that some breeds have been mixed with pitbull has caused these attacks! And no, if you lumped all terriers together, or all pointers together they still wouldn't have as many attacks as pitbulls. Don't fudge the numbers, they don't lie. But pit nutters do, and will say anything to keep their dogs even though they know they may attack humans or other dogs. And yes, most dogs will give signals when about to attack or being agitated, but NOT the pitbull it was bred to not give any warning signals in the pit, so no you are totally wrong on that as well!Johnny Bristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10647675336833279154noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-5681419126851986242014-06-22T20:19:45.416-04:002014-06-22T20:19:45.416-04:00From dogbreedinfo.com:
"The American Pit Bull...From dogbreedinfo.com:<br />"The American Pit Bull Terrier was bred as an all-around farm dog, working the farms as a cattle/hog dog. Some chose to turn their talents into the sport of pit-fighting. The breed’s tenacity and accompanying strength are unmatched in the canine world. As rich and captivating as the breed’s history is, the Pit Bull’s future is more worthy of commentary. Some proponents of the breed argue that this breed is the original bulldog of the past. Old prints and woodcarvings show reason to believe this. They show dogs that look exactly like the breed today, doing things the dog is still capable of doing."<br />This is the original working and bull baiting dog of England. The APBT is arguably the most versatile and popular breed on earth. I agree with you they make for great pets, as I have two bulldogs (APBT). They were not bred to fight. They were bred to work and for interaction with humans. Highly tolerant, powerful, fearless, social, intelligent, agile, loyal, and protective. This dog has all the qualifications to excel and be used for anything any other breed of dog can be used for, even dog fighting. More than anything, these dogs make for great family pets. They are not more dangerous than any other dog, as you and I know, but they are a very versatile working breed with power and agility that give them the ability to cause serious damage when they actually do go on the attack (which is rare when we are talking about the average bulldog).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709431498931655870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-38619931245251464992014-06-22T20:16:25.897-04:002014-06-22T20:16:25.897-04:00Exactly. From dogbreedinfo.com:
"The America...Exactly. From dogbreedinfo.com:<br />"The American Pit Bull Terrier was bred as an all-around farm dog, working the farms as a cattle/hog dog. Some chose to turn their talents into the sport of pit-fighting. The breed’s tenacity and accompanying strength are unmatched in the canine world. As rich and captivating as the breed’s history is, the Pit Bull’s future is more worthy of commentary. Some proponents of the breed argue that this breed is the original bulldog of the past. Old prints and woodcarvings show reason to believe this. They show dogs that look exactly like the breed today, doing things the dog is still capable of doing."<br />This is the original working and bull baiting dog of England. The APBT is arguably the most versatile and popular breed on earth. They make for great pets, as I have two bulldogs (APBT). They were not bred to fight. They were bred to work. Highly tolerant, powerful, fearless, social, intelligent, agile, loyal, and protective. This dog has all the qualifications to excel and be used for anything any other breed of dog can be used for, even dog fighting. More than anything, these dogs make for great family pets. They are not more dangerous than any other dog, but they are a very versatile working breed with power and agility that give them the ability to cause serious damage when they actually do go on the attack (which is rare when we are talking about the average bulldog). But if power is what makes a dog more dangerous, then there are other breeds that are larger and stronger that have bulldogs beat in how much damage they can do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709431498931655870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-10038576231601268242014-06-22T11:58:47.264-04:002014-06-22T11:58:47.264-04:00From dogbreedinfo.com:
"The American Pit Bull...From dogbreedinfo.com:<br />"The American Pit Bull Terrier was bred as an all-around farm dog, working the farms as a cattle/hog dog. Some chose to turn their talents into the sport of pit-fighting. The breed’s tenacity and accompanying strength are unmatched in the canine world. As rich and captivating as the breed’s history is, the Pit Bull’s future is more worthy of commentary. Some proponents of the breed argue that this breed is the original bulldog of the past. Old prints and woodcarvings show reason to believe this. They show dogs that look exactly like the breed today, doing things the dog is still capable of doing."<br />The APBT is the original working and bull baiting bulldog. Original bulldogs were never slow. They were capable of lightening-fast movements and fast turns and could avoid being trampled and killed by large game like bulls and bears. APBTs also have a high pain tolerance and will see a task through to the end. This made them a good choice for dog fighters after bull baiting was banned. They even weigh the exact same as the original bull baiting bulldogs (around 50 pounds like you said).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12709431498931655870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-88531086002287254472014-02-20T13:46:31.725-05:002014-02-20T13:46:31.725-05:00they were also first made to pull plows and herd l...they were also first made to pull plows and herd large cattle and other livestockAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-91683575230464687882014-02-20T13:45:17.259-05:002014-02-20T13:45:17.259-05:00I just want to verify that pit bull is not a breed...I just want to verify that pit bull is not a breed but is referring to 5 different breeds. I love pits and I don't believe in judging a dog based on other dogs bad circumstances isn't right. people just need to be responsible for all dogs in general. my pits have never bittin anyone yet I was attacked by a lab. they are suppose to be family dogs. just depends on how the dog is raised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-64309805233927244612013-03-29T22:31:55.198-04:002013-03-29T22:31:55.198-04:00We have to look at the outstanding population of t...We have to look at the outstanding population of these breeds. If an area is populated by 80% Caucasian people, 15% African American People and 5% Hispanic people, Caucasian people are going to be the leading cause of violent crimes simply because their numbers are much larger then people of other ethnicities. <br /><br />You also must look at all the different type of breeds that are being called 'pit bulls'. If we lumped all the different 'shepherd' type dogs into the same umbrella turn like we do 'pit bulls', then these breeds would face the same issues. <br /><br />We are calling dogs 'Pit Bulls' because these dogs have large, blocky heads and short muscled bodies.<br /><br />http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/findpit.html<br /><br />Can you find the pit bull? <br /><br />When you take into account that ALL of these breeds (and mixes of these breeds) are often times FALSLY prosicuted as 'pit bulls' it makes statistics even more condeming for the breed.<br /><br />I have had more people ask me if my PURE BRED and REGISTERED American Staffordshire Terrier was a boxer then I have ever had people correct the right breed.<br /><br /><br />Also, as a dog trainer, I have had to seek more medical attention for bites from small dogs then I ever had in my 13 years of owning and training 'Bully' breed. And it was a Germans Shepherd who almost took my nose off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-4498019728002267032013-03-09T23:19:38.976-05:002013-03-09T23:19:38.976-05:00I absolutely loved everything you wrote its people...I absolutely loved everything you wrote its people like you that highlight my day when I can actually find real history on a dog breed like the pitbull or Staffordshire terriers.I love this breed just like my own family they are deeply rooted in how I was brought up as a child and the way I will bring my children up loving them. THANK YOU!!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08067475254282505273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-26063555915609896282012-09-21T13:07:27.197-04:002012-09-21T13:07:27.197-04:00Im also struggling with this. Historically this br...Im also struggling with this. Historically this breed was engineered to be an agressive breed. I recently experienced an unprovoked attack. There was no signal prior to attack and it comes from a family with children that care for it very well. In addition i worked trauma. Of 22 of dog attacks...... 14 were pitbulls. The others chows and a few other breeds. Im sorry but its difficult to trust an animal genetical built to defeat much larger animals. Insight on this appreciated. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-17693478729570591672012-08-07T23:09:09.366-04:002012-08-07T23:09:09.366-04:00Hi Gini, the two incidents you mention (Darla Napo...Hi Gini, the two incidents you mention (Darla Napora and the vet tech attack) are very unusual. In Ms. Napora's case no one will ever know what happened, as she was alone. Pretty much every canine expert will tell you that a dog does give signals when an occurrence like these events happens. We just aren't reading the signals leading up to the attack. <br /><br />You can go to many websites of behaviorists, veterinarians, trainers, geneticists, and even Science Daily studies, who will tell you that pit bull type dogs are no more likely to bite or attack than other dogs and that all dogs are capable of great harm--the larger the dog, the greater the harm. Dr. Ian Dunbar, Dr. Patricia McConnell, Dr. John Bradshaw, Victoria Stilwell, Jim Crosby, Janis Bradley, Dr. Jim Ha/Companion Animal Solutions, Jean Donaldson, Dr. Sophia Yin, National Canine Research Council, Association of Pet Dog Trainers, 4Paws University, Association of Pet Behaviour Counsellors, etc. have reams of information about the reason behind dog attacks. Geneticist Dr. Kristopher Irizarry has recently been interviewed a few times talking about the fact that pit bulls genetically are not more likely to attack than any other breed and especially what people are calling pit bulls these days, which are any dog with a large head and stocky body. <br /><br />The final paragraph of this blog sums it up nicely. Breed bans are not the answer. There have been breed bans in place in areas for over 20 years and as you point out, pit bull type dogs are rampant. Bans have obviously not worked. Ban or regulate one breed of dog and the criminal types will move on to the next "bad boy" dog of the moment and so on and so on. That's like saying that if we get rid of all guns in our country, it will solve the problem of criminals having access to them. There's a reason they are called criminals, same as dog fighters and just plain bad owners who do not appreciate what a wonderful companion a dog is. They don't care about public safety.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-63597870400977967882012-07-29T18:28:30.267-04:002012-07-29T18:28:30.267-04:00I am struggling with all this. I rescue and rehom...I am struggling with all this. I rescue and rehome dogs and a few have been pit mixes - and thank goodness all went well. Still, the problem I have with need for prior proof of aggression is that quite frequently with pits the first sign is a horrific mauling or fatality. Just a couple of examples: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/pitt-bull-mauls-veternary-clinic-worker-laura-miller-arm-amputated ; and http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/08/darla_napora_pregnant_pit_bull.php<br /><br />This is extremely rare with other types of dogs, but almost daily there is a pit type attack that surprises the owners and others that knew the dog. Usually the owners may not have been expert dog people, but they are not all gang members who let their dogs run loose either.<br /><br />I have had a couple of amazingly wonderful pit mixes myself (rescues who stayed) so I understand the love of these dogs. But I have also had a child tell me what it felt like to be eaten (and lose an arm) while conscious. That is pretty life changing. <br /><br />We regulate risky cars, kids toys, their pajamas, swimming pools, etc. It just does not seem right that anyone should suffer a horrific mauling so that I or anyone else has the "freedom" to own any dog or animal we want. In reality I have lost my own rights to walk my own dogs in my neighborhood because we are no longer safe due to the vast numbers of pit type dogs in my area.<br /><br />It is omplicated, and my beliefs have changed as the numbers of pits has increased. I also don't see that we are making any headway at all in reducing the numbers of these dogs that are bred, abandoned, neglected, abused, and / or killed in shelters and in the streets. If we are not improving safety and we are not saving the dogs - what are we doing? Shouldn't we look at other options?Ginihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03296476667091506792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8437901534161780164.post-53783554739266436292012-07-01T00:26:32.085-04:002012-07-01T00:26:32.085-04:00As the caretaker of two pit bull mixes, one of whi...As the caretaker of two pit bull mixes, one of which is a Pet Partners therapy dog, thank you for continuing to be a voice of reason. I've been on the other end of nasty incidents and judgments simply because of my dogs' looks, despite the fact they are two awesome canine citizens who participate in agility, nose work classes, attend dog daycare and live with three indoor kitty cats.Jen Bhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01649196999606667279noreply@blogger.com